Fox River Trolley Museum
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*Fox River Trolley Museum Location
*Fox River Trolley Museum VandalismFox River Trolley MuseumLocaleSouth Elgin, IllinoisCommercial operationsBuilt byAurora, Elgin and Fox River Electric CompanyOriginal gauge4 ft 81⁄2 in (1,435 mm) standard gaugePreserved operationsPreserved gauge4 ft 81⁄2 in (1,435 mm) standard gaugeCommercial historyClosed to passengers1935Preservation history1961Railway Equipment Leasing and Investment Corporation (RELIC) founded1966Began operatingPresentContinues openWebsiteFox River Trolley MuseumRoute mapAE&FRE north toElgin and CarpentersvilleCastlemuirFreeport SubdivisionStearns RdBlackhawk StationAE&FRE south toAurora and Yorkville
The Fox River Trolley Museum is a railroad museum in South Elgin, Illinois. Incorporated in 1961 as R.E.L.I.C. (Railway Equipment Leasing and Investment Co.), it opened in 1966 and became the Fox River Trolley Museum in 1984.Location[edit]
The museum is located at 365 South LaFox Street (Illinois Route 31), approximately two blocks south of the intersection of LaFox and State Streets.
Frankfurt International 2001 DVD - Taped in late August of 2001 at the home of Lufthansa, with heavy action with B747’s, A300’s, A340’s, the historic Junkers and cargo MD-11’s. Fox Valley Trolley Museum is such a walk back in time. A low key experience. Great for young and old. We brought our grandma who is 100. She’s lived in the fox valley her whole life and used to ride the trolley. The conductor’s give a little history presentation as you ride the.Collection[edit]
The museum maintains a collection of 30 antique electric trolleys, railroad cars, and locomotives which range in construction dates from 1887 to 1959. The majority of the museum collection is focused on railways and electric transit lines of the Chicago area. One of the most exceptional cars in this collection is the wooden interurban (inter-city) Chicago Aurora and Elgin Railroad car #20, purchased directly from CA&E after that railroad discontinued passenger service. Yahoo masenger for pc download freesoftrareabcsoft. Car #20 was constructed in 1902 and is the oldest electric interurban car operating in the United States. The most recent collection acquisitions include the interurban electric railway car, Aurora, Elgin & Fox River Electric Co. #304, that was built for the Fox River Line in 1923, and ran in daily service between Elgin and Aurora until March 1935. Between 1935 and 1954, it operated in Cleveland over the line best known as the Shaker Heights Rapid Transit. The car was then sold, with three other ex-Fox River Line cars, to real estate entrepreneur Gerald E. Brookins, whose family operated Trolleyville USA, in Olmsted Township, Ohio, in suburban Cleveland, until 2002. AE&FRE #304 made its first run over its original railroad on August 21, 2010, over 75 years after it last ran on the line.Chicago area interurbans[edit]AE&FRE #5CA&E #458CNS&M #715
Aurora, Elgin and Fox River Electric Company (AE&FRE)[1]
Chicago, Aurora, and Elgin Railroad (CA&E)[2]
Chicago North Shore and Milwaukee Railroad (CNS&M)
Chicago South Shore and South Bend Railroad (CSS&SB)
AE&FRE #5, a 45-ton General Electric diesel, was the last locomotive to work on AE&FRV tracks. It was bought in 1945 to replace two electric locos, and hauled coal cars from the Illinois Central Railroad junction at Coleman to the State Hospital in Elgin until 1972.
AE&FRE #7 (C), a flat car, was built in 1927 by the CNS&M as #1504, a pioneering piggyback car.
AE&FRE #304 was a lightweight interurban car built by St. Louis Car Company in 1923. It was operated between Elgin and Aurora until passenger service was discontinued in 1935.
CA&E #11 was built by J. G. Brill Company in 1910 as an express car and was converted to a line car in 1947.
CA&E #20 was built by Niles Car Company in 1902. This wooden car is the oldest electric interurban car operating in the United States.
CA&E #316 and 317 were two of six cars built by Jewett Car Company in 1913.
CA&E #458 was one of 10 cars built by St Louis in 1945, some of the last interurban cars built in the U.S.
CSS&SB #7 and 14 were built by Pullman Company in 1925. #14 was rebuilt and lengthened during WWII.
CNS&M 715 was built by Cincinnati in 1926.
CNS&M #756 was built by Standard Steel Car Company in 1930.Chicago Transit Authority and predecessors[edit]CTA #40CTA #6101Fox River Trolley Museum Location
Chicago City Railway (CCRy)[3]
Chicago Rapid Transit Company (CRT)[4]
Chicago Surface Lines (CSL)[5]
Chicago Transit Authority (CTA)[6]
CCRy #L202 was built in the company shops in 1908. A small electric switcher for yard use, it was in service until 1958, when it was rebuilt and renumbered as S343. It was still in service in 1973.
CCRy #S304 was built in the company shops in 1908 as a flatcar with a crane.
CRT #4103 was built by Cincinnati Car Company in 1914 It is a “Baldy” with three doors per side. The last 4000-series cars were retired in 1973.
CRT #4288 and 4415 were built by Cincinnati in 1922 and 1924. These are the newer “Plushie” body style, without center doors.
CSL #6 was a street Railway Post Office built in 1891. This small single truck car is from the dawn of electric streetcars.
CTA 5001 was one of four three car articulated trainsets delivered from Pullman Company (5003 and 5004 by St. Louis Car Company) in 1948 to test PCC components for rapid transit cars. Because of their high speed and large capacity they were used on the Skokie Swift exclusively between 1964 and 1985, where they were renumbered 51–54.
CTA 6101-6102 were built by St Louis in 1950. They are a married set of cars which pioneered this arrangement, used on all future CTA cars, except the 1–50 series. These were the standard cars used from 1950 to 1975, the last were retired in 1992.
CTA #40, 43, and 45 were built by St Louis in 1959. These are essentially double ended, single car versions of the 6000 series cars. Most were taken out of regular service in 1993.Other railroads[edit]W&SR #73
San Francisco Municipal Railway #1030 was built by St Louis in 1953. One of the last pure PCC cars, this was the final development of the American streetcar.
Warren and Saline River Railroad #73 is a Whitcomb 70 ton locomotive built in 1948. Engines of this size are usually in short line or industrial service.
Soo Line #130 is a wooden caboose built in 1887. It is the oldest car at the museum.
Illinois Central Railroad #9648 was built at the company shops in 1957. It is a modern steel car which remained in service until the 1970s, when cabooses were phased out.Heritage railroad[edit]
Since 2002 the museum has operated a heritage railroad over a 4-mile line along the banks of the scenic Fox River to the Jon J. Duerr (formerly Blackhawk[7]) Forest Preserve. Visitors can board at the Castlemuir depot, on the museum grounds at the north end of the line in South Elgin, or at Blackhawk Station, at the south end of the line, adjacent to the picnic grove of the Jon J. Duerr Forest Preserve. Blackhawk Station is handicapped-accessible.[8]
The museum’s right-of-way was originally part of the Aurora, Elgin & Fox River Electric interurban railroad. The track leaves Castlemuir southbound and passes through Coleman, a former interchange with the Illinois Central Railroad. This is part of the last operating section of the interurban, closing in 1972.[9][10] The track then continues south over a section closed in 1935 and then onto a new alignment that curves into the Forest Preserve.
The museum operates its trolley excursions from Mother’s Day to the first Sunday in November every Sunday from 11:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m. During July and August, the museum excursions operate on Saturdays and Sundays from 11:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m.Non-profit organization[edit]
The Fox River Trolley Museum is operated by the Fox River Trolley Association (FRTA). The FRTA is an educational, member-based 501(c)(3) tax exempt Illinois not-for-profit corporation. The museum gratefully accepts donations to support its operations, exhibits, programs, research, preservation and public interpretation.References[edit]
*^Peffers, Hopkins Stolp (1993). Aurora-Elgin Area Street Cars and Interurbans v.2: Aurora, Elgin & Fox River Electric Company. American Slide-Chart. pp. 62–63, 94–95, 97. ISBN1-883461-02-2.
*^Peffers, Hopkins Stolp (1993). Aurora-Elgin Area Street Cars and Interurbans V. 3 The Third Rail Line. American Slide-Chart Corp. pp. 22–23, 31, 42–43, 213. ISBN1-883461-03-0.
*^Lind, Alan R. (1979). Chicago Surface Lines, An Illustrated History. Transport History Press. pp. 145, 159. ISBN0-934732-00-0.
*^C.E.R.A. (1973). Chicago’s Rapid Transit v.1: Rolling Stock/1892-1947. Central Electric Railfans’ Association. pp. 196–199, 202–213, 219–227. ISBN0-915348-15-2.
*^Lind (1979), p. 159.
*^C.E.R.A. (1976). Chicago’s Rapid Transit v.2: Rolling Stock/1947-1976. Central Electric Railfans’ Association. pp. 8–71. ISBN0-915348-15-2.
*^Alt, E. C. (1979). South Elgin: A History of the Village From Its Origin As Clintonville. South Elgin Heritage Commission. p. 40. ISBN0-9603430-0-8.
*^Carlson, Norm (2002), ’Kane County’s Newest Rail Line’, First & Fastest, 18 no. 4: 21–23
*^Alt (1979), pp. 43-46.
*^Peffers, Hopkins Stolp (1993). Aurora-Elgin Area Street Cars and Interurbans v.1: Fox River Division. American Slide-Chart. p. 99. ISBN1-883461-01-4.
*C.E.R.A. (1961). The Great Third Rail. Central Electric Railfans’ Association.External links[edit]Wikimedia Commons has media related to Fox River Trolley Museum.
*Fox River Trolley.. at Eddie’s Railfan Page
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The people who caused the damage were caught:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/e .. story.html
Two juveniles, ages 11 and 13, broke in to the Fox River Trolley Museum and bashed out train windows and did other damage that could cost as much as $150,000 to repair, South Elgin police and museum officials said..
A GoFundMe has been established. From the page:
https://www.gofundme.com/fox-river-trolley-museum
The Fox River Trolley Museum suffered a terrible burglary, that was discovered on July 7th. As reported everywhere, two boys, 11 & 13 tunneled under the barn wall and did over $110,000 of damage across all seven cars inside the barn. As we barely hang on financially, we are at a loss for means to repair the excessive amount of damage.
This is a very upsetting story, we all want to beat the snot out of the kids who did this, but tht won’t solve anything. I have some questions I’d like some education about.. First, it sounds like the museum does not have adequate property insurance coverage. Am I naive to think that insurance should have helped cover some, if not all, of the cost to replace the windows? Second, do the parents have any financial responsibility for the actions of their minor children? Is there a legal recourse, or would the cost of bringing the matter to trial outweigh any possible award?
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This seems to happen in many places. Kids seem to like to break glass, especially on restored items. An issue with insurance is that you don’t want to use it if you don’t have to, and many groups have a fairly large deductible, so they are out of some money even if the insurance pays.
A group I work with had a similar event happen, and the boys were caught by a security guard. At the court hearing, one set of parents showed up in a new $40,000 pickup truck and claimed they had no money to pay for the damage after ordered to make restitution. The group offered to take the truck instead. Somehow the money was found.
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Second, do the parents have any financial responsibility for the actions of their minor children? Is there a legal recourse, or would the cost of bringing the matter to trial outweigh any possible award?
In past experiences I’ve seen with such matters--from petty vandalism to arsoned covered bridges--the odds of being able to recover anything from the perpetrators or their families are basically zero or lower, unless the perpetrator just happens to come from an incredibly rich family with comprehensive insurance coverage. And if you use your head about it, the typical perpetrator of such wanton vandalism is typically from the other end of the economic spectrum (though not always).
I once ’apprehended’ some young vandals on a railroad (trying to smash signals), and made a show of calling the police, but the police said it would be long enough that I should let them go. I didn’t tell the kids that, and told them to take me to their parents--and, amazingly, they did. When I informed the parents of what they had been doing and where, they exploded with such rage at the boys that I was almost fearful for their well-being after I left. But this meant that the ’fear of God’ was going to be instilled in these brats, and I departed assured repeatedly that there would be consequences to learn from.
Now, the thing to consider is that had these ’kids’ been a couple years older and of a different temperament and upbringing, not only would my personal safety have most likely been in very serious jeopardy, but the parents would have eventually blamed the police or railroad for the apprehension and prosecution of ’my babies’....
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The pair have been charged with one count each of burglary and criminal damage to property.
And walked away with a stern warning not to do it again...why is no one responsible for their actions anymore?
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The pair have been charged with one count each of burglary and criminal damage to property.
And walked away with a stern warning not to do it again...why is no one responsible for their actions anymore?
Because of their age; in most states they’d be sleeping at home at 11 and 13 unless it was a violent felony.
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Go after their assets who cares if they don’t have much, even if it cost more to go after them then you recive. The message to the sorronding comunety will be very strong.
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the odds of being able to recover anything from the perpetrators or their families are basically zero or lower, unless the perpetrator just happens to come from an incredibly rich family with comprehensive insurance coverage. Comprehensive is for what happens to you, not what you do to others (as that’s liability) and certainly not for an intentional act. I don’t work with fire/homeowner’s stuff, but I don’t even think comp is a coverage for anything other than cars anyway.
This wasn’t an ’oops’ where these kids accidently knocked over a ladder onto a window. It’s clear they worked really hard to intentionally cause this damage.
A good attorney (or the insurance carrier) can run an assets check on the parents for an amount this high.
Before it comes up, this isn’t an age of majority issue as it wasn’t an accident. ’They were just kids, so it doesn’t count’ won’t be a defense in such a case as it would in the case where a little kid does something stupid and accidently causes a loss.
Go after their assets who cares if they don’t have much, even if it cost more to go after them then you recive. The message to the sorronding comunety will be very strong.And that message will likely be, ’Look what the rich white people with their full-sized toy train did to the family of a (probable) low-income kid.’
That isn’t the way you want your museum to be seen by the public.
We live in a world where people in certain demographics are viewed as getting a ’pass’ in cases like this based on their background and past ’injustices’ upon people they know or are distantly related to.
You don’t gotta like it, but you can’t ignore it.
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I would hope that the museum will sue the parent(s?) for the cost of fixing the damage they caused. Not for the revenge factor but rather to send a message to the rest of the community that it won’t take being abused lying down.
Our tourist railway in BC was constantly targeted by local graffiti ’artists’ until the time we caught them red handed at 2 am with spray cans and all and ’ detained’ them in the far back of the roundhouse. We ’ forgot’ them for about 40 hours and when we released them we warned them if there was a next time,... they could figure on a much longer ’stay’ with us.
We never had another incident.
True story. Ross Rowland
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Our tourist railway in BC was constantly targeted by local graffiti ’artists’ until the time we caught them red handed at 2 am with spray cans and all and ’ detained’ them in the far back of the roundhouse. We ’ forgot’ them for about 40 hours and when we released them we warned them if there was a next time,... they could figure on a much longer ’stay’ with us.
We never had another incident.
You might not have had another incident, but you COULD have had some serious criminal charges against yourselves..
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the odds of being able to recover anything from the perpetrators or their families are basically zero or lower, unless the perpetrator just happens to come from an incredibly rich family with comprehensive insurance coverage. Comprehensive is for what happens to you, not what you do to others (as
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*Fox River Trolley Museum VandalismFox River Trolley MuseumLocaleSouth Elgin, IllinoisCommercial operationsBuilt byAurora, Elgin and Fox River Electric CompanyOriginal gauge4 ft 81⁄2 in (1,435 mm) standard gaugePreserved operationsPreserved gauge4 ft 81⁄2 in (1,435 mm) standard gaugeCommercial historyClosed to passengers1935Preservation history1961Railway Equipment Leasing and Investment Corporation (RELIC) founded1966Began operatingPresentContinues openWebsiteFox River Trolley MuseumRoute mapAE&FRE north toElgin and CarpentersvilleCastlemuirFreeport SubdivisionStearns RdBlackhawk StationAE&FRE south toAurora and Yorkville
The Fox River Trolley Museum is a railroad museum in South Elgin, Illinois. Incorporated in 1961 as R.E.L.I.C. (Railway Equipment Leasing and Investment Co.), it opened in 1966 and became the Fox River Trolley Museum in 1984.Location[edit]
The museum is located at 365 South LaFox Street (Illinois Route 31), approximately two blocks south of the intersection of LaFox and State Streets.
Frankfurt International 2001 DVD - Taped in late August of 2001 at the home of Lufthansa, with heavy action with B747’s, A300’s, A340’s, the historic Junkers and cargo MD-11’s. Fox Valley Trolley Museum is such a walk back in time. A low key experience. Great for young and old. We brought our grandma who is 100. She’s lived in the fox valley her whole life and used to ride the trolley. The conductor’s give a little history presentation as you ride the.Collection[edit]
The museum maintains a collection of 30 antique electric trolleys, railroad cars, and locomotives which range in construction dates from 1887 to 1959. The majority of the museum collection is focused on railways and electric transit lines of the Chicago area. One of the most exceptional cars in this collection is the wooden interurban (inter-city) Chicago Aurora and Elgin Railroad car #20, purchased directly from CA&E after that railroad discontinued passenger service. Yahoo masenger for pc download freesoftrareabcsoft. Car #20 was constructed in 1902 and is the oldest electric interurban car operating in the United States. The most recent collection acquisitions include the interurban electric railway car, Aurora, Elgin & Fox River Electric Co. #304, that was built for the Fox River Line in 1923, and ran in daily service between Elgin and Aurora until March 1935. Between 1935 and 1954, it operated in Cleveland over the line best known as the Shaker Heights Rapid Transit. The car was then sold, with three other ex-Fox River Line cars, to real estate entrepreneur Gerald E. Brookins, whose family operated Trolleyville USA, in Olmsted Township, Ohio, in suburban Cleveland, until 2002. AE&FRE #304 made its first run over its original railroad on August 21, 2010, over 75 years after it last ran on the line.Chicago area interurbans[edit]AE&FRE #5CA&E #458CNS&M #715
Aurora, Elgin and Fox River Electric Company (AE&FRE)[1]
Chicago, Aurora, and Elgin Railroad (CA&E)[2]
Chicago North Shore and Milwaukee Railroad (CNS&M)
Chicago South Shore and South Bend Railroad (CSS&SB)
AE&FRE #5, a 45-ton General Electric diesel, was the last locomotive to work on AE&FRV tracks. It was bought in 1945 to replace two electric locos, and hauled coal cars from the Illinois Central Railroad junction at Coleman to the State Hospital in Elgin until 1972.
AE&FRE #7 (C), a flat car, was built in 1927 by the CNS&M as #1504, a pioneering piggyback car.
AE&FRE #304 was a lightweight interurban car built by St. Louis Car Company in 1923. It was operated between Elgin and Aurora until passenger service was discontinued in 1935.
CA&E #11 was built by J. G. Brill Company in 1910 as an express car and was converted to a line car in 1947.
CA&E #20 was built by Niles Car Company in 1902. This wooden car is the oldest electric interurban car operating in the United States.
CA&E #316 and 317 were two of six cars built by Jewett Car Company in 1913.
CA&E #458 was one of 10 cars built by St Louis in 1945, some of the last interurban cars built in the U.S.
CSS&SB #7 and 14 were built by Pullman Company in 1925. #14 was rebuilt and lengthened during WWII.
CNS&M 715 was built by Cincinnati in 1926.
CNS&M #756 was built by Standard Steel Car Company in 1930.Chicago Transit Authority and predecessors[edit]CTA #40CTA #6101Fox River Trolley Museum Location
Chicago City Railway (CCRy)[3]
Chicago Rapid Transit Company (CRT)[4]
Chicago Surface Lines (CSL)[5]
Chicago Transit Authority (CTA)[6]
CCRy #L202 was built in the company shops in 1908. A small electric switcher for yard use, it was in service until 1958, when it was rebuilt and renumbered as S343. It was still in service in 1973.
CCRy #S304 was built in the company shops in 1908 as a flatcar with a crane.
CRT #4103 was built by Cincinnati Car Company in 1914 It is a “Baldy” with three doors per side. The last 4000-series cars were retired in 1973.
CRT #4288 and 4415 were built by Cincinnati in 1922 and 1924. These are the newer “Plushie” body style, without center doors.
CSL #6 was a street Railway Post Office built in 1891. This small single truck car is from the dawn of electric streetcars.
CTA 5001 was one of four three car articulated trainsets delivered from Pullman Company (5003 and 5004 by St. Louis Car Company) in 1948 to test PCC components for rapid transit cars. Because of their high speed and large capacity they were used on the Skokie Swift exclusively between 1964 and 1985, where they were renumbered 51–54.
CTA 6101-6102 were built by St Louis in 1950. They are a married set of cars which pioneered this arrangement, used on all future CTA cars, except the 1–50 series. These were the standard cars used from 1950 to 1975, the last were retired in 1992.
CTA #40, 43, and 45 were built by St Louis in 1959. These are essentially double ended, single car versions of the 6000 series cars. Most were taken out of regular service in 1993.Other railroads[edit]W&SR #73
San Francisco Municipal Railway #1030 was built by St Louis in 1953. One of the last pure PCC cars, this was the final development of the American streetcar.
Warren and Saline River Railroad #73 is a Whitcomb 70 ton locomotive built in 1948. Engines of this size are usually in short line or industrial service.
Soo Line #130 is a wooden caboose built in 1887. It is the oldest car at the museum.
Illinois Central Railroad #9648 was built at the company shops in 1957. It is a modern steel car which remained in service until the 1970s, when cabooses were phased out.Heritage railroad[edit]
Since 2002 the museum has operated a heritage railroad over a 4-mile line along the banks of the scenic Fox River to the Jon J. Duerr (formerly Blackhawk[7]) Forest Preserve. Visitors can board at the Castlemuir depot, on the museum grounds at the north end of the line in South Elgin, or at Blackhawk Station, at the south end of the line, adjacent to the picnic grove of the Jon J. Duerr Forest Preserve. Blackhawk Station is handicapped-accessible.[8]
The museum’s right-of-way was originally part of the Aurora, Elgin & Fox River Electric interurban railroad. The track leaves Castlemuir southbound and passes through Coleman, a former interchange with the Illinois Central Railroad. This is part of the last operating section of the interurban, closing in 1972.[9][10] The track then continues south over a section closed in 1935 and then onto a new alignment that curves into the Forest Preserve.
The museum operates its trolley excursions from Mother’s Day to the first Sunday in November every Sunday from 11:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m. During July and August, the museum excursions operate on Saturdays and Sundays from 11:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m.Non-profit organization[edit]
The Fox River Trolley Museum is operated by the Fox River Trolley Association (FRTA). The FRTA is an educational, member-based 501(c)(3) tax exempt Illinois not-for-profit corporation. The museum gratefully accepts donations to support its operations, exhibits, programs, research, preservation and public interpretation.References[edit]
*^Peffers, Hopkins Stolp (1993). Aurora-Elgin Area Street Cars and Interurbans v.2: Aurora, Elgin & Fox River Electric Company. American Slide-Chart. pp. 62–63, 94–95, 97. ISBN1-883461-02-2.
*^Peffers, Hopkins Stolp (1993). Aurora-Elgin Area Street Cars and Interurbans V. 3 The Third Rail Line. American Slide-Chart Corp. pp. 22–23, 31, 42–43, 213. ISBN1-883461-03-0.
*^Lind, Alan R. (1979). Chicago Surface Lines, An Illustrated History. Transport History Press. pp. 145, 159. ISBN0-934732-00-0.
*^C.E.R.A. (1973). Chicago’s Rapid Transit v.1: Rolling Stock/1892-1947. Central Electric Railfans’ Association. pp. 196–199, 202–213, 219–227. ISBN0-915348-15-2.
*^Lind (1979), p. 159.
*^C.E.R.A. (1976). Chicago’s Rapid Transit v.2: Rolling Stock/1947-1976. Central Electric Railfans’ Association. pp. 8–71. ISBN0-915348-15-2.
*^Alt, E. C. (1979). South Elgin: A History of the Village From Its Origin As Clintonville. South Elgin Heritage Commission. p. 40. ISBN0-9603430-0-8.
*^Carlson, Norm (2002), ’Kane County’s Newest Rail Line’, First & Fastest, 18 no. 4: 21–23
*^Alt (1979), pp. 43-46.
*^Peffers, Hopkins Stolp (1993). Aurora-Elgin Area Street Cars and Interurbans v.1: Fox River Division. American Slide-Chart. p. 99. ISBN1-883461-01-4.
*C.E.R.A. (1961). The Great Third Rail. Central Electric Railfans’ Association.External links[edit]Wikimedia Commons has media related to Fox River Trolley Museum.
*Fox River Trolley.. at Eddie’s Railfan Page
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The people who caused the damage were caught:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/e .. story.html
Two juveniles, ages 11 and 13, broke in to the Fox River Trolley Museum and bashed out train windows and did other damage that could cost as much as $150,000 to repair, South Elgin police and museum officials said..
A GoFundMe has been established. From the page:
https://www.gofundme.com/fox-river-trolley-museum
The Fox River Trolley Museum suffered a terrible burglary, that was discovered on July 7th. As reported everywhere, two boys, 11 & 13 tunneled under the barn wall and did over $110,000 of damage across all seven cars inside the barn. As we barely hang on financially, we are at a loss for means to repair the excessive amount of damage.
This is a very upsetting story, we all want to beat the snot out of the kids who did this, but tht won’t solve anything. I have some questions I’d like some education about.. First, it sounds like the museum does not have adequate property insurance coverage. Am I naive to think that insurance should have helped cover some, if not all, of the cost to replace the windows? Second, do the parents have any financial responsibility for the actions of their minor children? Is there a legal recourse, or would the cost of bringing the matter to trial outweigh any possible award?
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This seems to happen in many places. Kids seem to like to break glass, especially on restored items. An issue with insurance is that you don’t want to use it if you don’t have to, and many groups have a fairly large deductible, so they are out of some money even if the insurance pays.
A group I work with had a similar event happen, and the boys were caught by a security guard. At the court hearing, one set of parents showed up in a new $40,000 pickup truck and claimed they had no money to pay for the damage after ordered to make restitution. The group offered to take the truck instead. Somehow the money was found.
Bart
Post subject: Re: Fox River Trolley Museum: $150,000 in vandalism
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Second, do the parents have any financial responsibility for the actions of their minor children? Is there a legal recourse, or would the cost of bringing the matter to trial outweigh any possible award?
In past experiences I’ve seen with such matters--from petty vandalism to arsoned covered bridges--the odds of being able to recover anything from the perpetrators or their families are basically zero or lower, unless the perpetrator just happens to come from an incredibly rich family with comprehensive insurance coverage. And if you use your head about it, the typical perpetrator of such wanton vandalism is typically from the other end of the economic spectrum (though not always).
I once ’apprehended’ some young vandals on a railroad (trying to smash signals), and made a show of calling the police, but the police said it would be long enough that I should let them go. I didn’t tell the kids that, and told them to take me to their parents--and, amazingly, they did. When I informed the parents of what they had been doing and where, they exploded with such rage at the boys that I was almost fearful for their well-being after I left. But this meant that the ’fear of God’ was going to be instilled in these brats, and I departed assured repeatedly that there would be consequences to learn from.
Now, the thing to consider is that had these ’kids’ been a couple years older and of a different temperament and upbringing, not only would my personal safety have most likely been in very serious jeopardy, but the parents would have eventually blamed the police or railroad for the apprehension and prosecution of ’my babies’....
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The pair have been charged with one count each of burglary and criminal damage to property.
And walked away with a stern warning not to do it again...why is no one responsible for their actions anymore?
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The pair have been charged with one count each of burglary and criminal damage to property.
And walked away with a stern warning not to do it again...why is no one responsible for their actions anymore?
Because of their age; in most states they’d be sleeping at home at 11 and 13 unless it was a violent felony.
CD
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Go after their assets who cares if they don’t have much, even if it cost more to go after them then you recive. The message to the sorronding comunety will be very strong.
Post subject: Re: Fox River Trolley Museum: $150,000 in vandalism
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the odds of being able to recover anything from the perpetrators or their families are basically zero or lower, unless the perpetrator just happens to come from an incredibly rich family with comprehensive insurance coverage. Comprehensive is for what happens to you, not what you do to others (as that’s liability) and certainly not for an intentional act. I don’t work with fire/homeowner’s stuff, but I don’t even think comp is a coverage for anything other than cars anyway.
This wasn’t an ’oops’ where these kids accidently knocked over a ladder onto a window. It’s clear they worked really hard to intentionally cause this damage.
A good attorney (or the insurance carrier) can run an assets check on the parents for an amount this high.
Before it comes up, this isn’t an age of majority issue as it wasn’t an accident. ’They were just kids, so it doesn’t count’ won’t be a defense in such a case as it would in the case where a little kid does something stupid and accidently causes a loss.
Go after their assets who cares if they don’t have much, even if it cost more to go after them then you recive. The message to the sorronding comunety will be very strong.And that message will likely be, ’Look what the rich white people with their full-sized toy train did to the family of a (probable) low-income kid.’
That isn’t the way you want your museum to be seen by the public.
We live in a world where people in certain demographics are viewed as getting a ’pass’ in cases like this based on their background and past ’injustices’ upon people they know or are distantly related to.
You don’t gotta like it, but you can’t ignore it.
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Post subject: Re: Fox River Trolley Museum: $150,000 in vandalism
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I would hope that the museum will sue the parent(s?) for the cost of fixing the damage they caused. Not for the revenge factor but rather to send a message to the rest of the community that it won’t take being abused lying down.
Our tourist railway in BC was constantly targeted by local graffiti ’artists’ until the time we caught them red handed at 2 am with spray cans and all and ’ detained’ them in the far back of the roundhouse. We ’ forgot’ them for about 40 hours and when we released them we warned them if there was a next time,... they could figure on a much longer ’stay’ with us.
We never had another incident.
True story. Ross Rowland
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Our tourist railway in BC was constantly targeted by local graffiti ’artists’ until the time we caught them red handed at 2 am with spray cans and all and ’ detained’ them in the far back of the roundhouse. We ’ forgot’ them for about 40 hours and when we released them we warned them if there was a next time,... they could figure on a much longer ’stay’ with us.
We never had another incident.
You might not have had another incident, but you COULD have had some serious criminal charges against yourselves..
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the odds of being able to recover anything from the perpetrators or their families are basically zero or lower, unless the perpetrator just happens to come from an incredibly rich family with comprehensive insurance coverage. Comprehensive is for what happens to you, not what you do to others (as
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